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Submit Response is a weblog by Jack Mottram, a journalist who lives in Glasgow, Scotland. There are 1308 posts in the archives. You can subscribe to a feed. This post was made on November 25, 2004 and belongs in the politics category. The previous post was Recommended OS X Applications And Utilities, and the next post is Today’s Links (25/11/04).

Number Crunching

From today’s Eye:

700 - Par­lia­men­tary hours devoted to deci­sion to imple­ment hunt­ing ban.

7 - Par­lia­men­tary hours devoted to deci­sion to go to war in Iraq.

Depressing.

Recently, despite really not giving a shit either way what people do to foxes, I’ve been taking a pro-​hunting stance. The way I (pre­tend) to see it (for effect) is that one job for a kennel-​worker or far­rier, that allows him or her to feed a family and pay taxes is worth - what? - a thou­sand foxes. Prob­a­bly more.

Pref­er­ence util­i­tar­i­an­ism is always good for this sort of a thing, but the more I wind people up with this argu­ment - people who (really) believe (for what­ever reason) that the lives of a few vermin are worth losing sleep over - the more I begin to gen­uinely believe it. Inso­far as one gen­uinely believes anything.

Where was I?

Oh, yeah. Foxes. Not impor­tant. At all.

Posted at 7pm on 25/11/04 by Jack Mottram to the politics category.
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  1. Ah, but the jobs could be main­tained by switch­ing to drag hunt­ing (where the hunt chases a trail laid by a human - the human needn’t be in drag but that might liven it up fur­ther). One sug­ges­tion you see put for­ward is that the hunt sabs can be the ‘fox’, thus ensur­ing they still have some­thing to do as well. No jobs lost (in fact a few cre­ated for the faux foxes, as well as ‘fox exterminator’ jobs), horses and hounds will con­tinue to be put down at the same rate, land will con­tinue to be ripped up by the pass­ing of the hunt. The dif­fer­ence will be new ini­ti­ates won’t have blood smeared on their faces to prove they’ve been in on a kill.

    But yes, the number crunch­ing is just plain depressing.

    Posted by Mags at 11am on 26.11.04

  2. Hee - I love the idea of sabs turned quarry!

    But yes, drag-​hunting would seem to dent my pre­tend argu­ment rather. Though pre­sum­ably hunt­ing people actu­ally like the unpleas­ant­ness at the end of a nice horse-​ride, or they would’ve switched already?

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 3pm on 26.11.04

  3. Yes, the resis­tance to drag-​hunting does rather sug­gest that the employ­ment argu­ments are sec­ondary to the death of the uneatable.

    (I was also dis­ap­pointed to see the pro-​hunt pro­tes­tors hurl­ing plac­ards at police horses last night, which seems to under­mine their animal-​friendly argument)

    Living in the West Coun­try, the damn debate is top story every night and it’s tedious. And vaguely embarassing.

    Posted by Mags at 7pm on 26.11.04

  4. Let’ be honest, it’s noth­ing to do with the foxes. If it was, we’d either have banned it with bear fight­ing, or paired it with a angling ban.
    The truth is that people who don’t fox­hunt have a prej­u­dice against posh people in full blown regalia leap­ing from one field to another as if they own all the land. Maybe they do. I think the real debate and the reason this has taken so long, is that it is the left finally bring­ing up the prob­lem of own­er­ship of land and the priv­iliges inher­ited by the few in this coun­try.
    One of the most fun­da­men­tal prob­lems with this coun­try really.

    Posted by Donny at 10am on 30.11.04

  5. That’s kind of what I mean - it’s a class war thing, but all the people on the anti side neglect to account for the people work­ing on fox hunts, only those prat­ting about on horses on the day.

    Talk­ing of land own­er­ship - we just got rid of feu­dal­ism in Scot­land, only a couple of cen­turies late. No more vas­sals being granted feu by their supe­rior now, oh no!

    (As for why it’s taken so long - that’s the real prob­lem: an unelected second chamber.)

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 3pm on 30.11.04

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