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Football Casuals and their Brands

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The UK has had it’s fair share of fashion-led subcultures. Arguably, this tendency dates to the 18th and 19th Century dandies, who either revelled in the strictures of ‘correct’ attire, or plumped for flamboyant, decadent dress, with a hint of gender confusion thrown in for good measure.

By the latter half of the 20th Century, the sartorial descendents of Beau Brummel and his ilk came in waves. 1950s Teds resurrected the Edwardian drape coats that gave them their name (a look revived in the 70s, filtered through Glam, or in its original form). The 1960s belonged to Mods, who morphed into Skin- and Suedeheads, and saw their sharp-suited tastes perrenially revived. Even Punk, whatever the protagonists might say about DIY, post-Winter of Discontent rage and anarchy, was a fashion movement first and foremost: just ask Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm MacLaren.

All these modes share common traits, regardless of the aesthetic - the clothes had to be expensive, they had to be ostentatious, they had to be immaculate, and they had to be worn first by working class young men. Given the high rate of fashion churn between the post-war period and the 1970s, it’s perhaps a surprise that the last great revolution in mens clothing was sparked sometime in 1977 and holds fast to this day - the Football Casual.

I think this has something to do with the brand. Where a Mod might wear any suit, as long as it adhered to the conventions of Italian tailoring, a Casual can’t wear any old tennis shirt: only Sergio Tachinni would do, or Fila, or Lacoste.

At the risk of offending some very scary hooligans who live in London, Casual began on Merseyside. First, when scallies from on and around the Scotland Road in Liverpool merged elements of Punk style with shades of David Bowie’s proto-glam, plus an odd attachment to drainpipe jeans and, of course, the wedge haircut. Then a little later - 1978-9 - scally supporters of Liverpool FC found themselves at a loose end in French and Italian city centres, thanks to their club’s European successes, and took the opportunity to acquire (or, more accurately, steal) sports- and causal-wear they knew fellow and rival supporters back home had no chance of finding.

Despite shifts in popularity over time, the brands favoured by the first casuals are those seen on every British high street today, whether it’s the European away match makes - Kappa, Lacoste, Ellesse, Sergio Tacchini - or brands adopted more recently - Burberry, Stone Island, Acquascutum - and not just on football fans. The seemingly permanent fetish for the early model Adidas trainers that can be seen on the feet of everyone from floppy-fringed indie kids to perfectly respectable middle-aged men began with the early Casual preference for Sambas, swiftly followed by Stan Smiths. That nice shower-proof cagoule you have in the wardrobe dates to Casual anoraks, originally worn over Pringle or Slazenger sweaters, often by Kappa, sometimes by Patrick. Admittedly, you don’t see many folk sporting Inega, Fiorruci or Lois nowadays, but they’re the exceptions that prove the rule.

This sartorial longevity is down to the brands, as much as it is to the enduring (admittedly distasteful) glamour of the well-turned-out football hooligan. To be a dandy, Mod, Punk or Skin involves an attention to detail shared by the Casual, but thanks to branding, that attention to detail can be reduced to a basic list of clothing manufacturers, rather than, to take Mods as an example, an in-depth understanding of the proper number of cuff-buttons and an eye for the correct width of tie. Of course, any old Casuals reading will disagree, as will their Burberry-capped and tracksuited contemporary followers, and they can reasonably cite the subtle differences of Casual attire from football club to football club (the London loyalty to Farah, say, or the short-lived fad for deerstalker hats in the North of England) but the fact remains that Casual was the first brand-led fashion movement to take hold in the UK, and it is branding that has made it last.

In case you’re wondering, when I got up this morning I put on a Sergio Tacchini sweater (in navy blue and red with white piping - mmmn!), dark grey cords and Diadora trainers. Hence this post.

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Posted at 10pm on 01/12/03 by Jack Mottram to the art and culture category.
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  1. There’s another clothes-themed grid here, and you can find links to interesting grid posts at Ashley’s summary of the inaugural griddings…

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 2pm on 04.12.03

  2. casual movement started in Liverpool??
    The land of the soap dodger
    Dont think so mate
    your ironically
    Axel F
    CCS (HIBS)

    Posted by axel at 9pm on 18.03.04

  3. Axel F????????
    Pull yer neck out!!!
    Any self repecting casual knows that the scousers did start the casual clothing closely followed by ourselves in the ASC…
    You Edinburgh muppets were well behind…

    Posted by captain at 6pm on 26.03.04

  4. Axel F????????
    Pull yer neck out!!!
    Any self repecting casual knows that the scousers did start the casual clothing closely followed by ourselves in the ASC…
    You Edinburgh muppets were well behind…

    Posted by captain at 6pm on 26.03.04

  5. right you scousers whats yous talking about the differins beetween us is that the ccs team run the hole show now right bams

    Posted by simon at 11am on 18.05.04

  6. who the fuck is axel f ccs.yes the hoolie seen started in the pool then to the mancs they started the days of raiding shops and taxing.the hoolie seen never came north of the border until the early 80,s so dont take the resect away from the scouser.

    Posted by HBC at 8pm on 20.05.04

  7. edinburgh muppets well maybe? for the first 3 to 4 years but what else have yous shaggers got to do up thair.dig for oil’well into 85 hibs started to get it together and as i recall a hibs boy in a two peace suit steaming into yous very anti sus.then in 85 a home game at easter road whare we clashed at the top only for hibs to come out top and thair we have stayed for many years.we may have been a bite slow at first but wen we kicked off we did it in quality.OLLDAME ASTONE VILLA MILLWALL.A the good old days not like that now your lucky if you can trust the guy next to you in your mob to be in for you.HBC

    Posted by HBC at 8pm on 22.05.04

  8. PETER STORM CAGOULE YOU TWAT

    Posted by HBC at 10pm on 25.05.04

  9. Jack, c’est fantastique. Ageing thugs arguing over peter storm cagoules.

    Posted by new denim at 7pm on 31.05.04

  10. CHELSEA FOR LIFE!!

    Posted by GRIFF at 9pm on 03.06.04

  11. CHELSEA HEADHUNTERS 1
    INTER CITY FIRM - RFC NO SURRENDER BLUES BROTHERS 2004.

    Posted by mick at 8pm on 17.06.04

  12. any fuckin satarday service boys out thair who remember in the 80s going to easter road.only to be getting on your buses in motherwell to be steamed into a mob of hibs(CCS)who came threw before the game had started.remember this was a home game.smarte thinking city linking.CCS CCS CCS THE HIBEES FAMILY beet that one.

    Posted by HBC at 10pm on 18.06.04

  13. REIDY HERE ANY TRUE C.C.S. MEMBER SHOULD REMEMBER THE MEMORABLE CHANT AT PITTODRIE”HIBERNIAN HIBERIAN RA RA RA” WHILST BOUNCING IN THEIR MAIN STAND AROUND 1985-87

    Posted by REIDY FI YNT at 12am on 15.07.04

  14. I’M a 20 year old hibby, was at the leith san siro 4 the leeds game, the service crew had came up expecting some serious swedgin they must of been seriouly dissapointed, it appears our once tidy firm has become a bit of a distint memory, Scotland is miles behind england in the hooligan scene and its our fault, its time 4 a second coming we need 2 re-earn some fucking respect and get some aggro back on the menu on a saturday afternoon

    Posted by SPECIAL BREW9.0 at 9pm on 01.08.04

  15. wiz on th news fightin leeds fans n u see me scelp th guy a fuker yahooo

    Posted by black guy on th news at 2am on 05.08.04

  16. what the fuck has happened to the C.C.S thev’e all fucking dissapeared. we will be back to do some serious damage so whatch out ………:)

    Posted by doad at 3pm on 14.08.04

  17. we owe it to this city Doad, we need 2 get back 2 what we r good at (not playing football) but kicking fuck out of daft soap-dodgers and sheep-shaggers

    Posted by SPECIAL BREW9.0 at 4pm on 14.08.04

  18. we are johnny blackleys soccer trendies,na na na nana na na,

    any capital city service remember going to a raith rover v aberdeen cup game in the early 80s!!!!! or the meadowbank v motherwell cup game also early 80s!!!!!!
    and scotland game wembley 86” where was the english hooligans, also back then there was casuals in scotland english boys were not known as casuals not for a long time….

    THIS IS FACT….
    hibs did become the main hooligan elemnt in 85” and stayed there for many years i dont know the situation nowadays.

    Posted by pablo at 11pm on 01.12.04

  19. DSC 04

    Posted by mclean at 2pm on 17.12.04

  20. i remember seeing a huge travelling ccs at love street in 1984, we were beaten 2-1, benny brazil scored for us. I was 11 at the time and a wanna be BBC member in a blue lacoste.
    Hibs took 150 to that game it was an awesome march to the ground to witness! there was fighting in the St Mirren end which spilled onto the pitch, some ccs had sneaked in undetected. General chaos and disorder reigned all afternoon, i really felt kinda sorry for the inhabitants of paisley that afternoon.

    Posted by check at 1am on 24.12.04

  21. i remember in ‘85 we lost a midweek night game to the dons 3-0 at easter road. After the game i found myself accidentally in the middle of a mob of 60 ASC on Brunton Place, i didn’t know they were casuals ‘til they started chanting ‘aberdeen’. Shat masell but escaped unscathed

    Posted by check at 1am on 24.12.04

  22. COME ON ITALIAN CASUALS!!!

    Posted by Sergio Hellas Verona at 5pm on 27.12.04

  23. just got scottish top firms dvd theres a march through dundee city centre by the CCS to meet the huns icf at the train station great day that like can still see the daft huns face after ah whacked him 1 it wis priceless lets get back to being number 1 and lets take the other scottish firms by storm and do the lot of them

    Posted by rab at 7pm on 03.01.05

  24. Edinburgh Muppets? I think not! are we debating who did or didn’t start well dressed over aged neds fighting with each other over football? cmon now lets jus grow up children and come play in the real world yeah? and by the way Chelsea Causals Rulin it 2%5 Style RfC fTp WE ARE THE PEOPLE ~LOL~

    Posted by Miss Ainsley at 9am on 18.01.05

  25. Reidy, that’s a top story about Pitoddrie, hahahahahahahahahahaha.
    Anyone remember a 1985 kick off in the Dunbar End against Motherwell? Right at the chicken wire partition between the fans.
    CCS v Motherwell Saturday Service

    Posted by check at 4pm on 23.01.05

  26. 123 WHO R WE WE R DA YOUNG TEAM CYT!WATCH YAR BACKS CAUSE DA CROSHOUSE BOIS R HERE CUM ANYDAY N UL GET A TIMBY TAY DA FACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by CCCYYYTTT at 5pm on 23.01.05

  27. ASC WERE NUMBER ONE AND STILL FUCKING ARE, SHOVE YOUR ICF, CSC, SS CSF ETC. UP YOUR ARSE, THEM LOT COULDNT PULL AS BIG A MOB PUT TOGETHER THAN WHAT THE ASC COULD.

    GET A GRIP.

    Posted by ASC LEADING LAD at 10pm on 27.01.05

  28. pathetic rant by a typical highland sheepshagging jim.
    Let’s talk football! 2004/5 games to date stats
    Aberdeen 0 Hibs 1
    Hibs 2 Aberdeen 1
    no contest!

    Posted by check at 8am on 29.01.05

  29. whay does cyt stand for????
    canny wait for the reply
    hahahahhahahahahhaha

    Posted by check at 8am on 29.01.05

  30. CELTIC SOCCER CASUALS-#1 THE IRA WILL SET THEM FREE TIOCHFAIDH AR LA!

    Posted by Provo Bhoy at 3pm on 14.02.05

  31. celtic never had a firm and never will

    Posted by check at 5am on 17.02.05

  32. Oh dear, its a rant and a half here!! CCS and the ASC arguing about who was this and that. I was in edinburgh for the hibs v leeds match, have to say hibs had a very good turn out but the OB spoiled the party. heard rumours of the ASC being done by the CSF.
    it seems to me that the OB are no 1 and we only have our memories of the good clothes, drink, dr*gs and fights we had. GOD I MISS IT!!

    Posted by AYRSC at 11am on 18.02.05

  33. i heard that hibs had a good mob for that game but i also heard that leeds service crew had 350.
    We have the return fixture against leeds away at the start of next season, the whyte and mackay cup is supposedly an annual fixture. What upset and annoyed me was seeing lads casuals punching hibs fans who were wearing their colours.

    Posted by check at 4pm on 18.02.05

  34. Hibz casuals all the way CCS u fukin arses well beat ur mob anyday goin 2 leeds in august 2 samsh they daft cunts first

    Posted by choochoo at 7pm on 22.02.05

  35. The leeds service crew didi have a good mob give them credit for that but hibs will bring coach loads 2 elland road in august and we will have abot 100 baby crew and 200 older for that a would say we have been 2 every game this season and it seems only hibs aberdden and rangers can pull a mob but dundee bring 1 to us last saturday but they are shite bags anbd have been leaving early since 84 any 1 want 2 meeet us for august or a fight send me an email oon [email address removed] n a will get back 2 u CCS back on top

    [I edited this comment because I don’t want this site used to arrange fights. A bit of banter is fine, but read the post for God’s sake - it’s about fashion, not kicking the crap out of folk! Anyone else attempting to arrange a meeting will be reported to their ISP, as will anyone making sectarian comments any stronger than Provo Bhoy’s above - Jack]

    Posted by ChooChoo at 7pm on 22.02.05

  36. aye mon’ the hibs, we need to get back to where we were a few years ago

    Posted by BossKing at 11am on 24.04.05

  37. CSC 1 CELTIC SOCCER CREW 1
    FUCK THE CHEALSEA HEAD HUNTERS

      P.I.R.A
    

    Posted by boab at 5pm on 04.05.05

  38. tell ye all wat ya fuckin raj english cunts any time ye feel hard enough uz come up and try yer luck wi the c.c.s . FREEDOM!

    Posted by sean elliott at 7pm on 11.05.05

  39. okay if adidas is a casual brand, is UMBRO??

    Posted by cayman at 3pm on 15.05.05

  40. Yup, Umbro is a fairly casual brand, as far as I know.

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 11am on 18.05.05

  41. lol @ all these Hibs tossers going on about their mobs this season. Must have been oh dunno maybe 80 or so at Motherwell a couple of weeks back and 70 of them looked to be under 15. Glad to see they’ve moved on from all wearing Aquascutum to Paul & Shark but does mean I’m gonna have to burn all my gear now if they vermin are wearing it.

    Posted by Bob Todd at 6pm on 19.05.05

  42. saturday service fanny! i was at the game against you lot a few weeks ago and i seen your so called crew.as for our young mob,they would kick your smelly soap dodgin cunt in.then the heavy mob would come along and really tear you a brand new arsehole. and as for you sayin ur gonna burn ur paul and shark gear uz musty be the trampiest mob in the country. i seen 1 boy with a ny cap on and a pair a adidas la trainers with a hole in the front so shut ur mouth. C.C.S

    Posted by jambo basher at 11pm on 25.05.05

  43. i was at the motherwell game up at your patch the other week. you cannot even slag our young mob becoz they wold kick ur fuckin ur pathetic mob’s cunt in. yous got some turnout for a home game uz were pushing on double figures. uz r pathetic. can u plz tell me how many u had, and if u claim there was over 10 i would like names. as for you sayin u r goin to burn ur paul and shark gear uz r trampy bastards! our “15 year olds” had clothes on that are more value than your house u fucking tramp!

    Posted by jambo basher at 12am on 26.05.05

  44. wit u talkin” aboot we (csc) have never had a firm,ask the chelsae scumbags,when they shat it at the bloddy sunday march,glasgow in january,them and there icf pals broke through the polis barrier then jamp back in,dirty loyalist bastards.celtic soccer crew#1 o’glaigh na heireann. P.I P.I P.I.R.A WE WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED TIOCFAIDH AR LA ETA PLO

    Posted by csc_bhoy at 2pm on 27.05.05

  45. Er, I’d rather there weren’t direct threats of violence and/or sectarian crap on my website, thanks.

    Posted by Jack at 4pm on 27.05.05

  46. As true aberdonian and worked in Edinburgh for years and went to loads of matches - in both ends - you talk off the fights and crews but realy being a supporter would be fun.

    ps was left in Edinburgh when 11 when cousin was arrested for fighting at Waverley in 1981 nae good.

    You never hear of the girl crews and we were there week in week out and fought like men when needed.

    Posted by Alison at 3pm on 29.05.05

  47. dear alison,
    would you consider yourself a casualette?

    Posted by check at 10am on 05.06.05

  48. Our mob at last game vs Hibs - erm they werent out for that game coz they didnt expect Hibs to appear in any numbers - they’d been bringing 10-20 previously so wasnt worth the bother.

    As for the gear our guys wear - gladly compare airmile points for Paul and Shark with any Edinburgh tosser. Collection of Zegna, Stone Island, CP Company and Paul Smith aint too shabby either and unlike you lot I didnt have to steal it or buy fake shit from EBay.

    On subject of casualettes - was that slapper in the pink top the CCS bike? Everyone get a ride on her on your buses home?

    and finally I was laughing my arse off watching your mob go past the pub window with your police escort. Funniest moment was the wee tosser that looked straight at me and my bro sitting in the window and you could almost hear the cogs turning before he realised who we were - then despite outnumbering us 30:1 managed to stick 2 fingers up at us then turn and run. Motherwell police reckoned you were so serious a threat they actually gave you a whole 2 officer escort :-)

    Saturday Service
    Member since 1983

    Posted by Bob Todd at 1pm on 09.06.05

  49. i thought this website was to be about the clothes and not slagging each other off?
    cos ive seen MSS CCS ASC CSC CSF andthe utility in action and the truth be told there were well dressed lads and tramps in all these firms! as well as game lads and shit bags
    my question is whatis the best pair of trainers you had in ur active days!
    best brand of jeans? best sweatshirt? and best jkt?

    Posted by PadsAyrService at 2pm on 14.06.05

  50. Wit The Fuks Hapenin These Days - Nae Cunt Up Fur A Fukin Scrap Or Wit - Seems Tae Be That The Lower Divisions Are Takin Er The Casual Scene - Cmon Tae Fuk Lads Get A Bit A Saturday Fight Back Intae Us - Glasgow North Celtic Casuals All The Way - Celtic Soccer Crew Number Fukin Wan - Pira Fleeto Up Thre Ra Fukin Erin Go Bragh

    Posted by Big Jie at 4pm on 14.06.05

  51. i thought this website was to be about the clothes and not slagging each other off?

    It is PadsAyrService, but you seem to be the only person who’s noticed! Anyone fancy answering PadsAyrService’s questions?

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 1pm on 15.06.05

  52. Best trainers I saw - probably my brother’s pink Adidas Gazelle he brought back from canada. Best jacket - probably the Ellesse one I got imported from Italy when you could only get their gear in London or as import.

    Posted by Bob Todd at 10am on 16.06.05

  53. WHAT ARE YOU ALL ABOUT???

    Well what a crock of crap!!

    You guys are talking the biggest amount of pish I have ever heard. I can tell you that for sure. As I know how it all started in Edinburgh. As I was one of the originals and it actually started in Aberdeen and West Ham. Scousers were still saying “Gis a job” at that time. It started in Edinburgh when I good mate of mine came down from Aberdeen and went to our school in 1984…when I was 15. He had a Kappa jacket, Tachinni Tshirt, Levi Chords that had an extra piece of Chord (different colour) to make them flares and Dia Dora trainers. We laughed at him and said you look like a right muppet..then in his Aberdeen Accent said “I’m a casual ken”. So from that day it began in Boroughmuir High School and James Gillespies in Edinburgh, the first Casuals where Hearts Casuals in Edinburgh and everyone moved over to hibs…even I did and I am a Hearts fan. As thats what it was all about. The CCS was born and BBC for the juniors. HLC for the ladies. We all stood at the Wimpy in Princess St and the memory of us doing Jenners and stealing all the G2 jumpers still lives on. I can safely say that CCS kicked all arses in Edinburgh to a close Aberdeen who were game as fu**. Those soap dodgers couldn’t fight there way out of a paper bag…and used to trainers to good effect. So to stop your shite argument. Aberdeen were the first casuals in Scotland and it derived from ICF and Millwall so all else keep it clamped as you dont know what your on about. AXEL F who are you?? Where you there when the CS canistor got checked at us by those weegie scum bags Celtic.
    Casuals have come and gone…get with it…its a blast from the past…Let it die and enjoy your Football.

    Posted by BASIL BRUSH at 11pm on 20.06.05

  54. Alrite all you lot out there talking shite, the scousers robbed there way through Europe in the early eighties and started the Sportswear fashions, i was going to Dundee and Utd games when 14/15 in 84/85, even though a life long Celt fan, “Dundee Utility” boys. In Scotland the first boys with the Casual gear was Motherwell we all know that,then A/deen, where were you Hibs boys when the Utility walked down Leith walk with 250 boys, at a Leeds match, ha ha ha.
    I miss the old days and still have most of my old togs and trainers, i hate the way evryone’s jumping on the band wagon these days, all the boys who were there at the start know it was more than fighting at football, it was about fashion, looking good for away days and the rest, it was a way of life for a lot of us.
    oh and one last thing for all you CCS, ICF boys and the like up here in Scotland, i’ve not been to games for years but last season the Utility ran right over evryone one of your mobs and not one of you can deny it, you Hibs boys wouldnt even come out of Tannadice,
    Fleet rule

    Posted by Mark at 11pm on 29.06.05

  55. who cares what you scotch lads think, you know nada about clothes and spelling and when are you going to put up a fight against us lot then? Good luck in the world cup

    Posted by jonny at 1pm on 16.08.05

  56. what a bunch o jumped up dickheads you tossers are stand proud SPD VENGALOYAL

    Posted by ridtrendyboy at 6pm on 11.09.05

  57. Jonny, it’s “Scots” not scotch, so you sort your spelling before you start slagging off anyone else. Fanny.

    VENGALOYAL, Fud.

    Posted by Fuck England at 7pm on 12.09.05

  58. Well these days u hibee scum r just a streak aw pish on and off the park;) Mon the Jambos top aw the league

    Posted by top Jambo at 12am on 16.09.05

  59. listen up you filthy wee hearts jim we are supposed to be talking about casuals and their brands, then again what the hell would you know about casuals and their brands?
    nothing!
    fred perry and kappa are probably your favourite brands,
    hibs; hardest, best dressed and in europe, well for now anyway!

    Posted by check at 9pm on 16.09.05

  60. yes jonny you are indeed a fanny!
    hello bartender could i have a scots with ice please?……………..total fanny!

    Posted by check at 9pm on 16.09.05

  61. GIRUY ya fuckin dickheads.
    CCS is still kickin it and believe me
    “THESE COLOURS DONT RUN” ya jambo fanny

    Posted by Mental Hibs FC at 5pm on 17.09.05

  62. ”SERVICE CREW”
    ! CUM ON !

    Posted by Leo at 8pm on 19.09.05

  63. Dundee Fukin’ Utility, Remember Us!!!!!!!

    Member:1985/1992

    Best years of my fukin’ life!!!

    All you guys who done the shit back in the 80’s/90’s will know what I’m talking about.
    1 of clothes, none of this rip off pish that goes about these days.At least when you bought a designer sweatshirt or jeans in the 80’s/early 90’s you knew, and everyone else knew it was the real deal, not like now lol.
    Too much fake clothes now and too much fake fuckin’ casuals also.Today’s casuals wouldn’t have lasted 2 minutes in my day, we had balls and stood till the end.

    i.e. 6 of us stood against a shit load of Hibs in Dundee City Centre, They cunts came from everywhere, I got the shit totally kicked out of me, 137 cuts and bruises, they tied a rope(jumper string?) around my neck and I remember them saying KILL the Dundee bastard, man I had fuckin Timberland footprints all over my body lol, I survived and It was fuckin brilliant.
    Afterwards we were pissing ourselves it was class lol.
    That was the worst hiding I got and the most fun lol, If there’s any Capital City Service boys reading this from the 80’s/90’s that junkie fuck Bongo was there at the time when I got dood in lol, he’s probably dead now, he was always out of it.
    You were in Aberdeen and couldn’t get shit so you phoned Dundee for a liitle scrap which we were happy to oblige, you forgot to tell us how many you had thought ha ha.
    There was about 5 buses full, we were fuct from the start lol but as I said it was good fun at the time.

    I’m 35 now, married, 3 kids and a Scarfer, I love my team now and wouldn’t fight even if provoked, well maybe lol.

    Cheers 2 all the Fugs for stirring the memories.

    r0nd0. Utility no.1

    Posted by r0nd0 at 12am on 28.09.05

  64. utility on top non stop#1

    Posted by dazzy at 7pm on 28.09.05

  65. After having a few days to think about this shit, Having the cool clothes got you into the mob, staying there was about being a fuckin nutter and fuckall to do with clothes.
    Clothes never gained you respect, you done that shit for yourself lol.
    Rich guys had the dogs bollocks clothes but were pussies in the field, some guys like me who had good jobs (and clothes) fuct it up for themselves and ended up on the brew.
    No new designer clothes but the fuckin heart was there and no-one would say shit to us about clothes incase they got the shit kicked out of them.
    The rich pussy people used to pay £1 each towards our train fare to away games cause they knew they would be sort of safe with us lol and they were trying to buy respect but it never fuckin worked.Like I said earlier you earned respect not bought it.
    i.e. 6 of us went to Tynecastle and again we got fuct up but at the end of the day my mate was outside the train station and got a surprise kickin, he was my mate so I ran outside punched a few o’ the cunts and pulled my mate in the door, fuckin shiter, I tell you, I don’t know where it came from, my mate had a broken arm and on top of that they poured into the trainstation and we had no choice but to head over the fuckin railway track, and we got done for fuckin’ trespassing, what a joke eh! anyway we got PF letters soon after to say we were off the hook, thank fuck, that would mean another trip to Hearts end of Edinburugh with 6 again.

    r0nd0 Utility no.1

    Posted by r0nd0 at 8pm on 30.09.05

  66. Sort yourselfs out Edinburgh girls - Glasgow Is rougher and tougher

    Posted by D at 6pm on 01.10.05

  67. HAHA! LISTEN TO U ALL. EVERYONE ALL OVER BRITIAN AND ABROAD KNOW ABOUT THE ABERDEEN CASUALS. THE REST OF U BOYS ARE WANNABIES, ALWAYS LOOKIN AT WHAT ABERDEEN HAVE DONE AND TRYIN TO MATCH IT. WE LED THE WAY AND STILL ARE. NO ONE CAN DENY WE HAVE THE MOST NOTORIOUS MOB NORTH OF THE BORDER. I WOULD BE EMBARRESED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF UR INFERIOR MOBS. I DONT KNOW WHY SOME OF U BOYS BOTHER ANY MORE. ABERDEEN R THE MOST ORIGINAL MOB AND FANS IN SCOTLAND. HIBEES R CELTIC WANNABIES - THATS PRETTY SAD DUT WORST OF ALL IS THE JOKE OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL HEARTS. I HATE RANGERS BUT FOR SUPPORTERS TO WANT TO BE THEM IS TOTALLY LAUGHABLE. MY MESSAGE TO ALL NON ABERDEEN SUPPORTERS OUTWITH THE OLD FIRM IS - TAKE A LEAF FROM ABERDEENS BOOK, GET SOME BALLS AND GET UR OWN SONGS. ONCE AGAIN THE DONS LEADIN THE WAY! STAND FREE.

    Posted by SHEEPY at 10am on 03.10.05

  68. CSC YA FUKIN BAMS … HAIL HAIL … IRA ….. TIOCFAIDH AR LA … URE GAWNAE GT THE SHIT KIKD OUT OF U COS WE R THE CELTIC SOCCER CREW

    Posted by sean csc at 6pm on 03.10.05

  69. listen aw use bawbags theres only 1 firm tht kin b respected thts the csc !! the rest eh yees huvnae even a decent team ya fannys ad slap yees aw wey ma dick ! ! CSC YA FUKIN BAM !! TIOCFAIDH AR LA !! big shout oot tae aw the st pauli wans !! (Y) IRA… FUK THE QUEEN N THE UDA !!

    Posted by pearo at 9pm on 03.10.05

  70. CELTIC CREW CUMIN THRU, GONNA SMASH HEARTS OFF THE TOP O THE LEAGUE, AS 4 THE SITE, BEST MAKES R, C.P COMPANY, SERGIO T, ARMANI AND STONE ISLAND DENIMS. UP THE RA

    Posted by celtic lad IN YORKSHIRE at 10pm on 04.10.05

  71. mon the hoops, were gonnie fuck hearts in 2 weeks and then kick the shit ot there sons a william scummy bastard fans efter it. csc no 1. by the way sheepy a agree wae u hearts wanna be huns and hibs wanna b us but were top mob now so fuck u anol ya prick. fuk the queen and davie cooper

    Posted by micky bhoy at 12am on 05.10.05

  72. go tend your stalls at the barra’s ya weedgie scaffies, check you all in your fake clothes and your fake aftershave, what a joke! celtic casuals come on don’t make me laugh! just so as you know hibs hate celtic just as much as we hate the huns you are both the same thing, just a different colour. You represent religious bigotry, racism and and the all bad things about small minded society on the west coast. I think it would be fantastic if celtic were to beat it and go and play in the irish club league and rangers could go and play in the northern irish league, then we would be rid of this cancer that embarrasses scots like me all over the world, micky bhoy and celtic lad and, pearo and sean get lost and go home to ireland where you can sow your religious hatred and be welcomed, boys just think what that would do for kappa sales on the irish mainland! in your glasgow slums mate, hope the jam tarts thrash you! and by the way you probably would want to fuck davie cooper ya wee faggot!
    ps. i always support the edinburgh team over the old firm, always!

    Posted by check at 7pm on 05.10.05

  73. ya dirty fenion soap dodging cunts , yees got a doin at the queen st train station af hearts,, ha ha ha ha ha noo thats a laugh by the way U.V.F all the way ,the sheepshaggers noo thats another laugh take yees all oan ya dirty shopper of shite.

    Posted by skelf at 10pm on 05.10.05

  74. fuck you micky bhoy ya sick fuck .

    Posted by gaz at 11pm on 05.10.05

  75. hibs baby crew on top we will doo any mob jst ob are on top the now bring loadz 2 aberdeen they will be in for a shock like ccs on top

    Posted by choo choo at 7pm on 06.10.05

  76. Aberdeen first casuals first sheep s****** thats about it. I.c.f

    Posted by Daz at 2am on 08.10.05

  77. BRING ON THE SHEEP!!!! NO SURRENDER WE R THE PEOPLE hahahahaha BY BALLOT OR GUN RU DAY DIDNT CUM R REBEL SCUMBAG (ICF)

    Posted by larkhal LOYALIST ICF at 12pm on 08.10.05

  78. ccs baby crew fuk u all

    Posted by paul at 7pm on 11.10.05

  79. was at the hibs game at easter road when we were in europe no long ago. after it i was walking up london road when the CCS appeared fae naewhere, must’v bn about 100 of them, n they cased sumcunts who were ootside the Omni centre, no sure who it was though but they ran like fuck… wiz legendary like

    CCS ya fannys

    Posted by GSE at 8pm on 11.10.05

  80. total agreement on the weedgie sectarian scum nonsense, get a life, and some decent clobber. yuze west coast slackers, are living in scotland.fuck i.r.a scum,and the uda ,dundee utility kick to kill.pure and simple

    Posted by utility soul boy at 1am on 14.10.05

  81. utility no 1,dont yuz forget it,keep the faith.

    Posted by utility soul boy at 1am on 14.10.05

  82. DUNDEE UTILITY NO.1

    FUCK ALL YA’LL.

    p.s. Fuck the sheep, I decked thier top man with a Sun Newspaper when I was only 17, DUNDEE UTILITY took 22 to Aberdeen and we fuckin’ ran they bottlin’ bastards all over the place, and in the train station I fuckin wacked a so called TOP MAN (Croitz ???)with a Sun Newspaper and he went down like a ton of fuckin’ bricks , Shitebag, We got our own Train home with 25 polis lol, there was only 22 of us. we had a fuckin good day, sheep shagin’ bastards.

    DUNDEE UTILITY NO.1

    Ronnie Mckell.

    Posted by rondo at 9pm on 14.10.05

  83. you see, some of you people hide behind the old computer screen lol, easy to be hard behind there eh! My real name is at the bottom of my posts and I’m proud of my past, I was DUNDEE UTILITY THROUGH AND THROUGH, and laugh at some of your stupid posts, Guys and Girlies who think there so fuckin’ hard, but hide lol.
    If some hardcore guys and girlies from the 80s/90s want to give some feedback that would be real interesting not you stupid fuckers who think thier casuals now lol.
    If there’s people from the 80s/90s out there , share the stories ,let the little cunts know what it’s all about. It’s not about being cool or having the best clothes or girlfriends, It was about BALLS.

    DEE/UTILTY #1
    Ronnie Mckell.

    Posted by ronnie mckell at 10pm on 14.10.05

  84. Celtic Soccer Casuals bred 2 kill IRA got our bak ,fuk yees all

    Posted by Rhino at 5pm on 16.10.05

  85. good to read old stories from my era those were good days indeed d/utility/thugs gave everyone a good go dont care what any other tubes say gave hibs a right good doing after night game at tannadice in a side street next to arklay st too many other good memories to recite.

    ladywellchasemob84-89

    Posted by scoosh utility at 7pm on 16.10.05

  86. c’mon the motherwell s.s all the way,we fucked the hearts at haymarket!!!

    Posted by johnno at 4pm on 17.10.05

  87. scousers started the casual era FACT 10 YEARS BEHIND DICKHEADS L.F.C.

    Posted by jimmy d at 6pm on 17.10.05

  88. dear ronnie you are so tough and so cool i wish that i was you

    Posted by check at 3am on 19.10.05

  89. never been a casual but was a skinhead went to some matches always had to chase the aberdeen mob,also had a great scrap with the hibs before the dundee/dundee utd game at tynecastle,great battle at the train station doesn’t matter who wins as long as no one runs

    Posted by skegit at 1pm on 19.10.05

  90. hibs casuals! biggest crew of saps going. started on me before whilst minding my own and got more than they bargained for got the talk but nothin else thats the truth a bunch of fairies who need back up by 100 more fairies. NON OF THEM CAN FIGHT cos they dont have a reason cos they actually came from good homes but are so full of shit to tell you otherwise.FUKIN FAIRIES

    Posted by stylus at 4pm on 19.10.05

  91. ronnie when’s the book coming out?

    Posted by check at 10pm on 20.10.05

  92. when hibs beat aberdeen 1 nil at pitodrie we had 60 baby crew up 4 it.and 10 minutes before kick of a mob of aberdeen youth went past us on the bus thare woz only a few police around at the time.and not 1 aberdeen boy got off as we were chanting c.c.s tryin to get them off the bus before it pulled away.and wot happen a cople of weeks back whe our baby crew done 30 heart older boys inn ootside the hamarket.and thare woz about 15 hbc.and your main boy who steamd in first did a no punch 5 stone of his fat fucking heed. C.C.S SCOTLANDS NUMBER 1

    Posted by H.B.C at 5pm on 23.10.05

  93. fuck yis all man all the casuals are gay part fae 1 ICF(the gers) csc are the shitest cunts around !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by ryan taylor at 6pm on 27.10.05

  94. my english friends give me some links about your bands,i watched to good in my opinion films F.Factory and GSE.and I want to learn about you.
    Your Polish friend…

    Posted by TYLKO WIDZEW !!! at 7pm on 27.10.05

  95. the hbc were called bbc first after john blackley ( the then hibs manager) blackley’s baby crew. shouldn’t you now be called mbc instead of hbc (mowbray’s baby crew) . whit aboot the tufty club what are they called now?
    how many ccs were at pitoddrie? what were you wearing? top to bottom?

    Posted by check at 8am on 28.10.05

  96. all you rangers and celtic twats dont have a clue, you shout IRA, UDA. why dont you fuck off to ireland for a couple of weeks and see how you get on. you should try living in the real world for a while. wankers

    Posted by west coast don at 11pm on 30.10.05

  97. dont talk fucking pish its always been the hbc because a know the boys who started it.hibs fans chant tony mowbrays casual army but it dosent make us T.M.C.A The casuals have never named thare firm after the manager you fucking idiot.

    Posted by C.C.S SCOTLANDS NO1 at 5pm on 31.10.05

  98. C.C.S on top nae other firm can pull together as much up 4 it lads an u sheep shaggers can get to fuk ya bottlin bastards (any time ya fukin fannys)

    Posted by C.C.S (DUNNO) at 5pm on 01.11.05

  99. C.C.S on top nae other firm can pull together as much up 4 it lads an u sheep shaggers can get to fuk ya bottlin bastards (any time ya fukin fannys)

    Posted by C.C.S (DUNNO) at 5pm on 01.11.05

  100. CCS all the fukin way u muppets ! anyone fuks aboot they get fuk kiked out them. sorted.

    Posted by chew chew at 10pm on 02.11.05

  101. late eighties doing apprenticeship with guys from all over scotland, falkirk fear motherwell ss, ayr united , csc.best dressed ever was guy beattie from fear cost me a fortune in the last 15 years. wore chipie, chevignon, valentino, ralph lauren,timberland, armani, duffer of st george, sadly he died 10 years ago but he lives on in my fashion as i “ran” with celtic after meeting him and ever since have had a great passon for the style but also involved in some dodgy scenarios at the football. had good nights with all several nights with yogi from hibs in falkirk with ss and ccs and fear and other workers full of sweeties which killed the violence a little at those times as in slam in the park etc now over thirty married but still on the fringes and interested in getting back in to he boxing but still well turned out paul smith armani seal kay prada stone island aquascutum and merrel at the end of tthe day it was all about looking good while somsone was trying to rip your shirt off your back and you bought a better one for the return leg anyway.

    Posted by david nicol at 8pm on 06.11.05

  102. Re. previous reply violence is comin back in a ig way dur to the backseat of sweeties(E) for ching as the ame atmosphere can now be felt while on a night out as all full f charlie think the are invincible where as full of ectos just want to dance reminds me of late eighties as b4 we use to tan sulph or coke b4 games in mickey finns in ingram street in glasgow b4 games then started taking sweeties and couldnt b bothered going to games but now older more income can afford to take more coke etc it seems to b older guys from my era going back to the scene

    Posted by david nicol at 9pm on 06.11.05

  103. actually you fucking fanny it was bbc before hbc back in 1984. Blackley was the manager we had after Pat Stanton you probably don’t even know who either of those boys are you disgrace to the green and white badge ya

    Posted by check at 10pm on 10.11.05

  104. ‘ah know the boys who started it’, what an absolute load of rubbish u know naebdy and nothing mate, you are as hard as a morning stiffie. You probably only started going to games when we made europe this year. Go support the jam tarts!

    Posted by check at 10pm on 10.11.05

  105. very valid call about the chan and eccies, that’s true coke= violence

    Posted by check at 10pm on 10.11.05

  106. Aberdeen, Dundee? The only thing hardcore about these boys was the ammount of sheep they shagged! Ronnie McKell stick that in your local newspaper if you can read “lol”? CCS 1 fuck the rest

    Posted by E T at 12am on 11.11.05

  107. dear ccs number 1 you should hang your head in shame! learn about your team and their history before you go lipping off to fellow hibbys! it was always bbc, it only became hbc when blackley got sacked!

    Posted by richy at 6pm on 11.11.05

  108. We will take any one on an if any u celtic pricks want a go next week(19TH NOVEMBER 2005) when rangers go to celtic park am sure we can find a little arrangement to meet an we’ll kick ur cunts in I.C.F.

    Posted by Graham Rangers I.C.F at 11pm on 11.11.05

  109. Right, that’s it - any more comments like Graham’s will be deleted. Talk about football, talk about casual fashion, talk about the history of hooliganism all you want, but do not make threats, attempt to arrange fights, or trade sectarian insults.

    I don’t want my website polluted with that kind of shite.

    And none of you support Tranmere, so you’re all idiots ;-)

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 3am on 12.11.05

  110. graham rangers icf lolol fukin unlucky pal, as fir aw these chookters goin on about there famous casuals, who giv’s a fuk mate i wis at the falkirk away the other week n after aw those scum bags started singing get bak 2 ireland standin thinkin there mental, a saw the fukin look on there faces wen we responded with a nice corus of boys of the old brigade, every celtic fan in the place stood up makin sniper guestures goin fukin mental n face it uz aw shat it, same fir u aw u fukin rangers fan after wee shauns goal ye fukin start singin aw this cry is no surrender,every celtic fell about laughin ay ye’s fukin face it uz have surrendered yer team is the worst, we’re top of the fukin league we put yez out, and then ye’s sing rule britania after the second goal lol get a grip fanny’s its fukin 2005 britania dont rule fukin anythin man.

    [Sectarian chant removed - Jack]

    Posted by sean at 3pm on 12.11.05

  111. as for the icf u can all leave now coz i’ve seen the csc more than u lot and thats fuking rare. i am a celtic fan but all u ppl who r sayin csc no 1 etc shuld get a grip, last i heard we wuld all used 2 kick fuk out of u coz u twats culdnt even thro cs gas at the ccs without hitting ur own fuking fans, bunch of dummy’s. and where is the csc wen at tyncastle u get those fukin wannae b huns attacking woman and children? hearts casuals r a fuking disgrace 2 the hooligan name, i thot casuals where supposed 2 fight with other casuals not fuking attack woman and children. And half of u have the cheek 2 say we’re daft becoz we chant about the i.r.a, the only time we ever is wen u lot start aw ur get bk 2 ireland pish, and that seems 2 b aw the time. And as for u graham, take ur scum and icf back to castle gray skull becoz i havent seen a worse rangers squad in a while, fukin up ye mate “we’re top of the league and ur 4th”

    Posted by provos at 5pm on 12.11.05

  112. AWAY AND WATCH YER TEAM YA BUNCH O’ PRICKS. MAKE SOME NOISE, SUPPORT YER PLAYERS AND BE A FITBA FAN - SOME OF US TAKE THE BAIRNS AS WELL, SO YOU LOT SHOULD PISS OFF BACK OUT OF IT.

    WHERE I’M FROM IN NORTH EDINBURGH YE GAVR UP PAGGERING IN THE STREETS AT 16, AFTER A GOOD FIVE YEARS OF INTER SCHEME FIGHTS. YHEN YE GROW UP AND GET ON WI LIFE. THE BIGGEST LAUGH OF ALL IS THAT MOST CASUALS I’VE SEEN OR SPOKE TO ARE NICE BOYS, WHERE MUMMY AND DADDY HAVE A BIT OF MONEY - HOW ELSE DID THEY GET THE GEAR?

    THE ORIGINS OF HIBS EXPLAINS IT ALL - JAMES GILLESPIES AND BOROUGHMUIR - FUCK SAKE, TWO MIDDLE CLASS NICE SCHOOLS IF EVER THERE WAS ONE! AINSLIE PARK - NOW CLOSED, NOW THAT WAS HARD.

    Posted by Jambo Fan at 12am on 13.11.05

  113. Always thought Aberddeen started the casual scene. Still we know Scottish football’s micky mouse so I suppose you gotta do somat. No surrender.

    Posted by Z.Ulu of Brum at 1am on 13.11.05

  114. SS Boys on Top Non Stop . .. Theres even a book out on us . . Saturday is Service Day…Look it up You Daft Cunts . .SS No.1

    Posted by Scootsy at 5pm on 13.11.05

  115. wits happened tae the celtic soccer crew they run the show ya dafties C.S.C ya fukin bams

    Posted by sean at 4pm on 15.11.05

  116. did you ever play away at firhill primary? that was murder

    Posted by check at 1am on 16.11.05

  117. most o our boys are from leith niddrie gilmerton royston m8.and al tell you wot m8 not much of us were brot up in life with a silver spoon in our mouth.But al tell you wot a couldnt give to fucks about whare our lads were raised or wot homes they came from its about bing LOYAL, AND HAVEING BOTTLEsomething you jambo cunts dinny have yous dont even come down tae easter road its 20 min walk fae your georgie slums. C.C.S SCOTLANDS NO 1

    Posted by HBC at 5pm on 16.11.05

  118. dus any one heer no the best way to join a firm am up for it but dont no who tae talk tae?

    Posted by lk at 8pm on 19.11.05

  119. nah nah nah nah lets go fukin mental hell yeah tell every hun that ye no that were tap a the league n yoor no 3-0 hartson balde n mcgeady yassssssssssss

    Posted by kj at 9pm on 19.11.05

  120. Come on now you’s Celtic scarfer fans, and less of the nonsense, most of you’s don’t have a clue. Firstly its not Celtic Soccer Casuals, it’s Celtic Soccer Crew. And whats the pont in giving it IRA etc after every sentence you’re just making us real CSC lads look as clueless as you are.

    The Hibs CCS were always seen as the number one mob, but ever mob has had their days.

    Ooh to gas, ooh to gas, ooh to gas a hibbee……….

    Posted by St Mungo at 9am on 20.11.05

  121. dus any one heer no the best way to join a firm am up for it but dont no who tae talk tae?

    Er, I’d prefer it if that went unanswered. Thanks.

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 6pm on 21.11.05

  122. Man City’s GUVNORS are by far the hardest firm in Britain!!!!

    Posted by paul at 5pm on 22.11.05

  123. As a tim, I totally agree with all the abuse given to these fuckwit bigots who post their ira and uvf pish. Scotland can do without it. Worth mentioning that there are plenty of other teams who have fans who give this kind of crap out as well (Hearts, Dundee etc..)Fair play to Aberdeen though, have never heard any sectarion bile from them. funnily enough was called a fenian bastard by a hibs fan once a couple of years ago (2002).

    Posted by Neilly71 at 2pm on 24.11.05

  124. Carlisle til i die, (BCF)

    Posted by Gav at 9pm on 24.11.05

  125. carlise who the f*** r them

    Posted by joseph at 1pm on 25.11.05

  126. Yes , it was all started by Scousers who used to bring back previously unknown brands from Europe . Anybody who says anything different is just wrong .

    Posted by Kevin , Yorkshire at 6pm on 25.11.05

  127. for a start edinburgh is a posh culdisac where u all took cookin lessons ud hav a better chance if ur burds took yer team we,ll see on new yaers day wen the csc cum through we r gony take use out and member the semi final were u got ambushed at st enocs centre and use all hid behin the polis PIRA ftq

    Posted by fuckin top man at 5pm on 27.11.05

  128. stuff the ccs the ccf r the boys mon the cowden

    Posted by ross allan at 6pm on 28.11.05

  129. moni rule ya bass! fuk the ferry fleet! ill smash yas all!

    Posted by kyle brwon at 3pm on 01.12.05

  130. fuk all u sheep shaggin bastards! i floored ur top bloke wi a punch wot a fanny he woz! cum n see iz again if ya wnt samshed! MONI RULE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by kyle brown (56 crofford road) at 3pm on 01.12.05

  131. i cant belive all of u hearts fanny’s ….i wiz at e game e day and u all looked a bunch of tossers and probably couldnt fight ur way oot a paper bag………..the hibs look a proper bunch……..i cant wait 2 c u all again at almodvale………wat a laugh it will b

    Posted by LSF.......(livingston) at 8pm on 03.12.05

  132. cant wait till sat……….2 c all the no hopers that we call weedgies……….i hope you get alot this week in ur giro and collecting muney 4 looking afta cars………….u mite get £4 tops ………and that will b a great week……..eh!!!

    Posted by hibee at 9pm on 04.12.05

  133. i fukin h8 millwall efc r guna fukin batter use if ne ov use wanna organise a fight email back 2 me u scummy milwall twats hope use all die.
    I also fukin 8 man united fukin orrible manc twats. buzbees aeroplane crashed wish i was da pilot.
    Went 2 blackburn away da other day an cracked a few heads open it was brill da nice of a few heads opening felt reli gud.

    RUN RUN WHOEVER YOU MAY B WE R DA FAMOUS EFC. WE,LL FUK U UP WHOEVER U MAY B COZ WE R DA FAMOUS EFC.

    WHOS DAT DYIN ON DA RUN WAY HUS DA DYIN IN DA SNOW.ITS BUZZBY AN HIS BOYS MAKIN ALL DA FUKIN NOISE COZ DEY HAVENT GT AN AEROPLANE TO GO

    Posted by EVERTON 4 EVA at 6pm on 05.12.05

  134. efc 4 eva guna fuk every millwall fan i see

    Posted by EVERTON 4 EVA at 6pm on 05.12.05

  135. will there be a posse of soap dodgin casuals on saturday? how many ccs are goin thru?

    Posted by Hibee Muzz at 9pm on 05.12.05

  136. Nice article jack.

    I’ve lived in edinburgh for 13 years now but grew up in Northern England. I’ve found it fascinating speaking to different lads from the firms up here and realising that a lot of the fashions were very specific to an area as well as a year.

    It was the customising as well that made you stand out from other firms

    Jumbo Lee cords with the badge taken off and sewn on the ankle anyone? - which ankle? ours were on the outside right.

    splitting your hems so they sat nice over your trainies

    kickers with extra tags (but not too many else you looked like a right tool)

    I recently saw a deerstalker on Easter Rd, worn with style and respect for the history. the geezer stood out a mile and looked way better than all the clone island kids do at every ground through the UK. It’s not just about being in a mob but standing out in style as well. You can’t fake a deerstalker can you??

    Posted by 80sclobber at 4pm on 07.12.05

  137. CCS+BABY CREW ON TOP ANY1 OF U SLAGS CUM AHEAD !!!

    Posted by DM at 7pm on 07.12.05

  138. aryte to all u dundee utility every1 nows were the best the ccs are jst a bunch o cunts

    Posted by dundeeutilty4life at 10pm on 08.12.05

  139. were the hearts all you wee stupid young team firms better get your act together cause this year we run the show so bring as many through to town and see what u wee gimps get ! csc

    Posted by coppertun loyal at 11pm on 08.12.05

  140. Fucking sheep, i fucking hate you lot. All you do is cling on to the past and these days all you have is a few top boys who are followed around by a couple of dozen scarfers who leg it at the first sign of going toe to toe and dance around the pavements fucking pricks, January 21st whrn the sheep come to Dundde next to play the Arabs. Fucking bring it on…… Cannae wait.

    Posted by Brian at 2pm on 09.12.05

  141. me and a few boys wer at parkheed , but seen no cunt.where the fuk wer yous. i didnt go thro 2 that dump 4 nout. that just shows that we r no1. if sum ccs boys did find u wat happened and where?? or do u just cum oot wen the dss aint at ur door….

    Posted by hibs at 10pm on 10.12.05

  142. fuck all u utility wanks u lot are a bunch of fannys who have to get escorted from leith on a bus cause u flapped it from us ccs4life

    Posted by ccs at 2pm on 12.12.05

  143. Moan the fuckin hibees we’re comin for u jambo bastards lets hope yis dinny fuckin run this time ay.

    Posted by HIBEE at 9pm on 15.12.05

  144. Res ponce to that jambo cunt from earlier about being from North Edinburgh snd slagging cunts who went to central schools in Edinburgh. That just shows you that the scum of the capital were driven northwards, out of the town, eventually to turn in to badly dressed aberfifians. Some still remain, masquerading as rats within a deprived gorgie. its not even worth smashing up. TCR CCS Michael Whelehan.

    Posted by ccs at 10pm on 17.12.05

  145. lets get the truth on here eh,back in the day csf had a not bad mob pretty game,ccs were tops in edinburgh,motherwell had a decent mob,dundee boys were fucking sappy as man,as for the no 1 back in the day it was the sheepshaggers though i hate to admit it.both the asc and ccs had massive mobs prob 800 to 1000 boys at there peak csf could pull about 500,disnae matter how many dundee pulled between them they were shitebags and motherwell were the bottle throwers .no1 now to wot i have noticed is the ob theve sussed it out, only took them twenty odd yr to do it though, gie them a round of applause.

    Posted by jambo at 4pm on 19.12.05

  146. just writing 2 see if there are any boys from chester goin 2 wrexham on the 28th of this month 2 kick e shit oot of those frontline cunts………….if so r we all up 4 it…. i sure am and just 4 the occasion am makin sure its not 1 2 forget…………last time we played them at home sum bold cunt dun me in big time ……….so cant wait 2 fuck his christmas up…. mon e 1 2 5’s….
    the chester boys r in town na na na na

    Posted by 1 2 5's at 9pm on 19.12.05

  147. I’m a hibbeeee but i wanna run with the c.c.s. a little help lads?!

    Posted by Chewy at 12am on 20.12.05

  148. Fuck all ye rangers fuckers yer shit and all ye loyalist wankers my freind got shite kicked out of him last night for walkin through a loyalist area with a celtic jersey on so fuck ye pricks C.I.R.A (CONTIUEIST I.R.A.) (C.I.C.I.C.I.R.A!!!!!!!!!!) (C.I.C.I.C.I.R.A!!!!!!!!!!!)(C.I.C.I.C.I.R.A!!!!!!!!!!) SINN FEIN 4 EVER FUK IAN PAISLEY THE QUEEN AND THE UDA. R.I.P BOBBY SANDS (KEANO! KEANO! KEANO!) EIRE 32.

    Posted by Hoops Belfast at 7pm on 21.12.05

  149. After the Hibs match against Dnipro aboot 30 of the CSF we outside John Lewis and about 100-150 of the CCS & HBC popped oot fae naewhere and chased the bastards up to Princess’ St. Got all of you bastards that ran. 28 Jan. Hertz Vs Hibs At Scummy Geogie, will use boys run again? Fucking get it together and get a fucking crip. Alot of people notice the HBC & CCS and go along with them so we’re never stuck with numbers

    CCS SCOTLANDS NO.1 ALWAYS! MON THE HIBS..

    Posted by HBC & CCS Ross at 1pm on 22.12.05

  150. I’ve not been into that since the end of the eighties, but I can remember fondly away days to aberdeen, edinburgh, ayrshire etc. It was mostly about fashions and style, as well as being ‘game’. Fashions i distinctly remember were, Dungaree’s, POP84, Pod sandals, Kickers, Lee semi-flares, Ocean Pacific, Chipie, The NEXT ‘great outdoors’ jackets, remember the brown and green hooded ones? they were a staple, also the next ‘golfcourse jumpers’ - the ones in blue or green with the crazy patterns, paisley pattern shirts, diadora, adidas jean trainers, Bjorn Borg, Benetton Rugby shirts, alaska parka’s, berghaus bubble jackets, chunky moccassins, Ricci, Boss, Armani, black 501’s, Crazy fashions!
    i remember going to love st once around 87 and there was a boy with a blazer, chinos and ski goggles!
    As far as i seem to remember most of the ICF weren#t from glasgow, and were from Irvine\Ayrshire, and they were all mental as fuck, the times yoou’d go via irvine on the train to ayr or killie and they would be at the train station every time, mad bastards!

    Posted by Burnzy at 1pm on 22.12.05

  151. Aberdeen were the first real mob in Scotland (1980/81), Motherwell were 2nd (1982), Hibs, Dundee (1983/84), then Rangers (1984), Hearts were skinheads till 1984/85. Aberedeen were easily best organised, dressed and numbers (Oct85), then Hibs caught up and definitely held No 1 (1991 approx)…then any team fcould claim to be best at some time or other. Also, Dundee/Utd although good at home, never travelled from 1983-1988, as there mob could not get it together in Edinburgh, Glasgow or Dundee. Mobs now days would not no what would have hit them in my opinion if faced with 80’s mobs.

    Posted by Real Hibs form 80's at 4pm on 24.12.05

  152. Burnzy, you must have run with a trampy mob if you got your golf jumpers from next. Here in sunny Leith we favoured Lyle and Scott and Pringle. Black 501’s were perhaps in but that was back in 1983/84 and were well favoured by the Hearts Service Crew as their mob was initially known. I take it you are from Dundee and that is where the dungarees come from. Oor Willie Utility indeed. Get back on your bucket and stop fantasising. What actually happened is that fashions changed on a weekly basis in say 87 - 88. That lasted about six months till the fines started and the police turning up at your door on a Saturday morning to tell your ma you were a casual. Plus, remember that there wasnt really that many labels to choose from. So what happened was that people began to accept all the usual famous labels as acceptable every weekend and they moved into almost mainstream fashion. This eventually lead to the Stone Island, Burberry nonsense as they were initially worn by the “top boys” then the rest of the mob followed and then, to a certain extent, the youth of todays society. It is basic sociology, from deviancy comes the norm. Personally, i wouldnt be seen dead in a Parka. At the end of the day, anyone who was still in it by 1991 was a fighter principally, not a dresser. These days had gone, replaced by E and clubs. Outside the calton studios in Edinburgh, graffiti appeared taunting the boys who didnt run with the mob any more and instead took class A drugs for recreation. What Jack says in his initial article is correct but was to be expected. The casuals were a massive youth culture in the late 80’s , any self respecting clothing company should have sacked their management team if they didnt utilise its potential. Young people cant really imagine what it was like in 1985, there were few places to buy good gear in Scotland, shops like USC have simply filled a large gap in the market at the right time. What should also be stated is that the quality of the clothing has deteriorated rapidly. Remember the old Timberland moccs. The sole didnt wear down. In today’s world, even cars and lawnmowers have what is called built in obselesence. I.e. certain parts are manufactured to wear out in a given period of time. Clothes went the same way a long time ago. I used to have a pair of Polo jeans and the denim was incredibly thick. It is not just clothes that have changed but society. It could be said that casuals were the last stand against society. It was hammered by Maggie Thatcher who, it is said, turned a blind eye to E. Thus, today,the majority of youngsters just get “pure melted man”. Everyone knows society is finished as we know it. The casuals took their moment but didnt see it to the end. They didnt have a chance. Now, where will another spark come from. It will be the next generation and it will be far more violent. That is inevitable as the final end. Big brother, no freedom to even have a shite. The next youth uprising will be stamped upon and various “controlling elements” will reorganise society like a massive ant nest. No deviancy will be tolerated. Perhaps deep down, we all knew what it was all about in the eighties. Not clothes, not fighting, the point was we were young men who saw that the world was a con. It was about the fact that life was not great any more. Why do you you think educational standards have fallen. The goverment realised that too much education was a bad thing. We were the last. Why should anyone have to work fourty hours in a week to if you think about it, to provide food and shelter and clothes. The rich get richer and the poor of today will vanish. the royal bank of scotland has opened a new head office with a shopping mall, hairdressers etc. They have a creche and take the bairns round the complex during the day. The next step will be housing and then we may have a child, born in the bank complex, brought up in the bank complex and taking a job in the bank, before retiring into a bank retirement home. certain individuals have become so brainwashed or unable to think for themselves that they would welcome this. “Yes, our James is doing well for himself, he has a house and job in the Bank” bollocks, our liberty is being stolen. Anyone up for a new revival. CCS . Be all you can be, choose soccer violence

    Posted by Brian blow at 5pm on 24.12.05

  153. brands from the 80s pop 84 , classic nouveau, pod ,adidas new yorker sweatshirts, cerruti, fila, tacchini, lacoste, them were the days. DEEPDALE BOY

    Posted by DEEPDALE BOY at 10am on 25.12.05

  154. hibs baby crew on top we will do any mob tht is game enough 2 come ahead we r scotland number 1 and u better remember tht

    Posted by imrie ccs at 4pm on 25.12.05

  155. hey brian,i think ur spot on but ur taking it a bit far wie the r.b.s and as for reviving the ccs it just won’t happen,well not to extent that it used to be.the old shed mob at tynecastle was probably some of the hardest supporters in scotland at that time who would have wiped out any casual firm off that day,some off the shed mob turned casual and started up the hearts mob (hearts service crew) and then (casual soccer firm).the uk is turning into a police state nearly a cctv cam on every corner off every street u even look or walk the wrong way ur collared and questioned,but brian what i truly agree with you is the day will come this country will explode again,into extreme violence,that the police and the goverment won’t know whats hit them.it will be a reversed trend this time,the 80’s and 90’s was violence then raves and drugs, this present day the drugs are rife the lads are bored,with boredom comes violence then theres football,so maybe i was wrong earlier when i talked about the ccs not getting back there full potential but brian it won’t just be the ccs all the firms csf included will be back big time and nothing will stop them.

    Posted by jambo at 3pm on 27.12.05

  156. EVERY ONE KNOWS TIMES HAVE CHANGED HIBS ARE THE NO 1 IN SCOTLAND WE HAVE A MOB WEEK IN WEEK OUT. HBC

    Posted by HIBS BABY CREW at 5pm on 27.12.05

  157. Bring On The Dons In Two Weeks, Bring You Sheep. We’ll Fuck Them Up To.

    Posted by Ross CCS at 1pm on 30.12.05

  158. Brian blow above shows it all and speaks from memories. A Revival of the CCS would be outstanding as our Mob would rule again just like the 80’s.

    Posted by Ross CCS at 1pm on 30.12.05

  159. csc ya fuckin tits prada and stone isiand all the way ya fuckin bams dun the jambos the day fukin minted ya fuckers.p.i.r.a.

    Posted by ciggy boy at 7pm on 01.01.06

  160. awryt av been wantin ti join a fitbaw firm fir a long time noo(coz a luv fightin but mastly evry man duz unless they r gay) but a dini ken very much aboot it so if yooz kood gee mi sum info it wil b very much apreciated

    P.S do raith rovers hiv a firm?

    Posted by johnst at 7pm on 02.01.06

  161. listen,i think we should stop this forum now,what a farce its turning into who’s no 1,who wearing what,WHO CARES.what u need to do is stop talking and get back to the games meet each firm with a good old fist fight, no weapons.so come back on here in 6 to 12 months and the storys u will have to tell will be more interesting than what rubbish u young laddies are coming out wie the now,thats if any of u can handle it.some of u will be battered and bruised but fuck what a buzz u would have had believe me u’ll enjoy it either way.so go on lets see u out there.

    Posted by jambo at 11am on 04.01.06

  162. No, we should turn this forum into a discussion of 1980s casual clothing, which, if anyone ever bothered to read the post at the top of the page is what it was always supposed to be about!

    There is no such thing as a ‘good’ fist fight.

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 1pm on 04.01.06

  163. CSFs top boy got hammered in on Sunday a heard from the CSC what a turn out after the CSF went for them first CSC turned round and leathered them apperently

    Posted by Ross CCS at 2pm on 04.01.06

  164. celtic boys got hammered on 1st jan v the csf after game nun of yas were up 4 it

    Posted by jambo jay at 9pm on 05.01.06

  165. good to read the storys lads, dundee utility still scotlands top firm,one of the 22

    Posted by johnny auf at 1am on 06.01.06

  166. hello ross ccs,i was at the game against celtic and was beside the casuals and i never a single fight cause there was to many polis, maybe later on but the celtic fans never hang about after a game at tynecastle,so if a few boys from the csf are reading come on and tell the truth wie what happened we all want to know.

    Posted by jambo at 4pm on 06.01.06

  167. cant wait till the 28th. canny fuckin wait u jambo bastards. mon the hibs an the hbc

    Posted by broon at 10pm on 06.01.06

  168. Trampy mob Brian lol. Nah the Next ‘Golfcourse’ jumpers came a few years after the lyle & scott\pringle days. they were called that because they had crazy patterns on them, you know the ones I mean? they were big about summer 83.
    they came in green, blue or red, and had crazy psychedelic swirly patterns. next sucked tho’.
    The POP84 parkas were worn about a year later, before everyone turned to crapper labels like berghaus etc

    Posted by burnzy at 5pm on 07.01.06

  169. CHELSEA HEADHUNTER NEXT JOKE PLZ

    Posted by clark at 8pm on 07.01.06

  170. Tennis clothing had the largest impact on the casual scene in the 80’s anything that was made in Italy ruled! In 1985 Boris Becker won Wimbledon aged 17 in ellesse clothing and it became really big. McEnroe’s tacchini youngline tops were highly desireable, made in Italy and tight fit. Bjorn Borg’s fila line was huge as was any fila item generally as it was made in Italy and made to the highest standards. Then of course Lacoste, worn by Henri Laconte (French tennis player) though i’m sure no-one has ever won Wimbledon in a lacoste. Then there’s the Adidas Ivan Lendl range, all made in Germany with the cool sky blue iceblock design, this was great in polo shirt or tracky with zip-off sleeves. And finally cerutti 1881 which was very rare to get and worn by Jimmy Connors. All this gear was available at Olympus Sports on Princes Street from 1985 onwards, but the real jem was Austin Reed’s downstairs sports department on Princes Street (it had the lot) Fila polo shirts were 29.95GBP in 1985. Also Jenners had a pretty good range. I never shopped at USC it was and still is way too jim!
    Blackley’s Baby Crew Number 1

    Posted by check at 12am on 13.01.06

  171. Dundee Utility???????
    I want all scottish firms to know i ran with a street gang from dundee who only fought other street gangs but we ran the utility in the city centre when we were bored about a dozen times coz they are all shitebags.
    P.S. if you want to surprise these mice they drink in Ferrari’s Bar on matchdays just down from tannadice, just turn up with 6 guys or under any more than that and you’ll see 50 guys run like the skitters. Utter ballbags.

    Posted by DundeeGangsta at 3am on 15.01.06

  172. Fuk off liverpool will fuk ne1 round, forget the old days wen the fellas wer tits. that aint cummin bak look 2 the new firms like the HDS and the NET, n meet newer n ull gt dun!

    Posted by Simmo at 5pm on 15.01.06

  173. Fucik sake done a wee swearch on google fir a laff amd am amazed that the UTILITY has such a good name, its a pity that the ob have ruined the scene with cctv, b ut what i wonder about is mckell saying fleet rule when it has always been DUNDEE UTILITY THUGS/CREW never lochee! xxxxxxxx

    Posted by minisativaN40 at 9pm on 15.01.06

  174. 2 be honest wae use i hink we could take anyteam in scotland aww u need is the old bit stannley and a bat we r unstoppable and hope it stays like that