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John Pilger on Rumsfeld, Cheney, PNAC and P20G

A corner of con­tem­po­rary con­spir­acy theory that passed me by:John Pilger out­lines the activ­i­ties of PNAC and P2OG. It’s even scarier than those acronyms suggest.

[Link from Bushwacker, post­ing on Optimo Echa­tio]

Posted at 9pm on 23/01/03 by Jack Mottram to the politics category.
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  1. mind yr spelling - it’s Bushwhacker!

    Posted by Wordyrappinghood at 10pm on 23.01.03

  2. apolo­gies! think­ing of layo &…

    Posted by Jack at 12pm on 24.01.03

  3. Me, Para­noid?

    We’ve had over a hun­dred hits in the last month from the US Mil­i­tary top level domain. Our .mil friends…

    Posted by Submit Response at 2pm on 26.03.03

  4. I dont know much about the intri­ca­cies of effi­ciently surf­ing the inter­net, my expe­ri­ence is very little with com­put­ers in gen­eral, but I find it strange that by means of intu­itive nav­i­ga­tion, on the open server search sites when you search key words of the pnac venac­u­lar, you find the offi­cail pnac site fol­lowed by sev­eral coin­ci­den­tal acronyms of many var­i­ous orga­ni­za­tions entirely unre­lated to the project of the new amer­i­can cen­tury. after scrolling the list for some time you find the great wealth of con­spir­acy that sor­rounds such natured key­words and I have no knowl­idge of it,but I imag­ine that the order of most eli­ga­ble files con­jured by a cer­tain key­word would be rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the # of hits that site gets related or unre­lated to the topic of inter­est com­bined with some mea­sure of fre­quency of the key word, and maybe some kind of web­site pro­fil­ing that would more accu­rately search any par­tic­u­lar word or words. BUT that is pretty easy to explain that there is some avoid­ance of con­spir­icy by the public these days, but some of the most amaz­ingly arbi­trary orga­ni­za­tions seem more preva­lent through the search engine than what you would think would be many peo­ples next log­i­cal step in research­ing the pnac of our lead­er­ship and var­i­ous com­men­ta­tors on the state of the world, would be to search also the amer­i­can forum on this “project” I’m not really sure what they are really work­ing on, the edu­ca­tion seems to be very sta­tis­ticly thin, it seems to be defense red­d­er­ick. but imme­di­ately after seeing the ref­er­ence to “pax americana” i asked jeeves to find the defin­tion of pax amer­i­cana and the results were filled with what I had not seen so far sites that were titled “dont worry, pax amer­i­cana and forced reform of the world are not coming” and although that arti­cle in par­tic­u­lar seemed to be a cer­tain nonch­lante atti­tude that i really like. it was a ploy on the sup­posed unwill­ing­ness of the amer­i­can people to be impe­ri­al­is­tic with our ido­l­og­i­cal agenda but a ever­grow­ing sus­pi­cious amer­i­can public about the full state of the world mixed the i guess what is the need for goven­r­ment secrecy and gov­ern­ment power to shift the ide­o­log­i­cal iden­tity of our court system from the open jus­tice we pro­pose for the world to care­ful shield­ing of peo­ples rights in the inter­est of national secu­rity. ulti­mately i feel that this is some­how related to the expan­sion of man as a loss of nation­al­is­tic loy­al­ties. they have been the shel­ter of the light as we have wit­nessed in men before us giving great sac­ri­fices and accom­plish­ing amaz­ing feats in the closed inter­est in a nation or extended family of some sort. but this was not hap­pen­ing the whole time in vain. man has so far in some kind of sub­con­cious way risin a great pillar of com­mu­nity con­sious­ness and rea­sources in such a way that we need less and less to base our affirmed allegience to a nation and look into our oblig­a­tion mankind or at least some kind of div­in­tiy, some­thing that would at least try to the water of all the major state­ments we are make about our goals and feel­ings about the world pop­u­la­tion as a whole.

    Posted by eichael at 10am on 28.03.03

  5. I have been to over 60 coun­tries in the world. I am a man of many tal­ents and fears. I stum­bled upon this site and I am happy but puz­zled that I did. What I am happy about is that there are still naive people in the world.

    What I am puz­zled with is the appar­ent lack of respect that the naive people of this coun­try have for any­thing that remotely per­tains to Amer­i­can pride and author­ity. Do you think Syria is a bad coun­try? Do you think San Fran­cisco is a bad city? Do you think where you were born, and where you grew up was a “bad” area? Have you ever even tried to envi­sion what it must be like to live in a repres­sive gov­ern­ment? A state where your basic human rights, like the right to speak your opin­ion and your right to free­dom of reli­gion and beliefs is taken away and for­bid­den under penalty of death?

    Do you think Syria is a bad coun­try? Do you have any idea? Syria is high up there on the list of seri­ous mur­der­ers and dis­gust­ing gov­ern­ment. Dis­gust­ing by amer­i­can stan­dards doesn’t mean dis­gust­ing by Muslim stan­dards, btw.

    Do you think San Fran­cisco is a bad city? How about the Bronx? How about Tal­la­hasee, or De Moines. Have you left your house in the past week? Do you get out much? Open your eyes to the world around you. Go some­where. Meet every­day people of other neigh­bor­hoods, cities, states, coun­tries, continents… tell me what you have to fear from our won­der­ful amer­i­can gov­ern­ment when you get back from your peace­ful homage to Angola.

    This mes­sage brought to you by free­dom of speech, and a myriad of other (taken for granted) freedoms.

    Posted by Tony at 10pm on 01.04.03

  6. Tony - I can’t really take issue with what you say: Amer­ica is a fan­tas­tic place (we’re in the UK, by the way) and I’d cer­tainly move there before Syria, or any of the oppres­sive regimes you men­tion. But, the issue here is with US for­eign policy, which is not directed by human­i­tar­ian con­cern, but by US eco­nomic inter­ests. Of course, argu­ments against wars like this get mud­died when you have to admit that the lot of the aver­age Iraqi will most likely improve, regard­less of the motives of their ‘liberators.’ If the US were gen­uinely in the busi­ness of depos­ing despots and restor­ing democ­racy, and if they did this by exert­ing eco­nomic and diplo­matic pres­sure, I’d prob­a­bly be all for it. They don’t though, as any Pales­tin­ian can tell you, as any Saudi cit­i­zen can tell you - The US has no inter­est in lib­er­at­ing people, it has an inter­est in expand­ing it’s sphere of influ­ence in the Middle East in order to secure the area’s nat­ural resources. So, yes, Amer­ica is a good coun­try, as coun­tries go, and I know I have noth­ing much to fear from the Amer­i­can people, save for the fact that they are will­ing to elect (and that’s still a matter of debate) a Pres­i­dent who’s aims and meth­ods are thor­oughly repugnant.

    Posted by Jack at 11am on 02.04.03

  7. This idea that people in Amer­ica have noth­ing to fear from their gov­ern­ment, and not bother to ques­tion it because of civil wars going on in Congo and Angola pro­duc­ing inde­scribeable acts of terror, per­verted rape and murder for fun, and by com­par­sion Amer­ica is great, is no fing Argu­ment at all!
    Amer­ica is the major super­power, at least thats the way it appears. It is impor­tant for the people who live ther in sup­posed feedom to be able to ques­tion those in power and ques­tion their actions and keep them in check.

    You cannot com­pare some of the human tragedys that soci­eties get them­selves into, with the USA and then say well, its not as bad as that so lets just forget about it, its ridiculous.

    If Amer­ica values its free­dom then it should bloody well try and make sure it does not end up like Angloa, and the way to do that is by keep­ing an eye on the soci­ety that you live in.

    lots of social prob­lems, may not be as bad as civil war, but they are still prob­lems, its not an excuse to say “hell, who cares? At least im not in Angloa, lets just pre­tend it doesnt matter”
    Next thing you know you might just end up being Angloa.

    Start with sort­ing out the National Debt!

    Adam UK

    Posted by Adam at 8pm on 16.06.05

  8. You Eng­lish people are really pieces of shit and hon­estly, if it wasn’t for your greed and stealing…the world would be a more decent place. You ARE the shits who will destroy Europe.

    Posted by Illaria Neroni at 10pm on 31.07.05

  9. Er, yeah, thanks for adding to the debate Illaria.

    Posted by Jack Mottram at 6pm on 01.08.05

  10. You guys are tor­tur­ers though and those that arnt let it go on.
    Some of you even think tor­ture is a good thing!
    I mea other than the psy­chopaths that run your mil­i­tary and fed­eral gov­ern­ment
    You cant really judge others.

    Who did you steal N.America off btw, if you want to go there.

    Adam, UK

    Posted by Adam at 4pm on 15.01.06

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